kargatron
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Gp, Witchi-Tai-To is very highly ranked in the consensual ECM pantheon.
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I for one found the divine intervention ending major horseshit (though it was already increasingly becoming shitty in that direction in the last two seasons - the writing was on the wall with all the increasingly implausible prophecy-fulfillment bul…
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What is the "McD's spam"?
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If at all possible, I dump the box set info for original release info (and extras go under "<Album> sessions" or some such). Box set ids only stay on stuff that isn't associated with original releases. I find no value in retaining the organiza…
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Unless you're using it for something else (I do), the "Grouping" tag seems to me a good choice for label. Sigh, all this talk just reminds me how much better all this would be with simple free tagging. Grr.
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Gp: (Quote) As I mentioned earlier, "Album Artist" is exactly what this is for.
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Thom, yeah, but custom fields suck. A true tagging interface would rock, but less is not much different than overloading the comment field, which is awful.
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iTunes (at least) does offer a solution of sorts to the Trio/Quartet/Octet/etc issue, and that's the "Album Artist" field. iTunes will group by album artist, so you can have Artist='Dave Holland Quintet' but Album Artist='Dave Holland'.
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Those who seek out the somber, chamber-jazz ECM style should probably investigate Wolfert Berderode.
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(Quote) Yes.
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Lowlife, I like that Lyle Mays record, but hate the extremely gauzy mix: often you can barely hear Frisell, and sometimes can't really tell the difference between Drewes' sax and Frisell's guitar. I'd love to hear a different mix of that album.
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I've loved Current Events since it came out - that's where I heard one of my very favorite ballads for the first time: Sammy Fain's "Alice In Wonderland".
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And as a reward for slogging through all this Metheny, here's a nice later Abercrombie you may have missed, featuring a "highly regarded" (similar to Metheny in terms of being both wildly lauded and occasionally dissed) saxophonist Michael Brecker (…
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Another I'd suggest you check out, Metheny/Mays' As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls - curious what you think of the long title track. And if you need an uplifting, anthemic theme to convince you of the value of such, "It's For You" will…
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Given all the Metheny discussion, on youtube: Full-length 2002 PMG concert from Speaking Of Now tour (2 hrs).
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If Gp's looking for a great hip-hop album to grab from that sale, A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory…
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PMG albums are most definitely principal collaborations between Metheny and Lyle Mays, they have to be mentioned together I think.
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(Quote) I would say it's analogous (in kind, maybe not degree). I do consider it plausible if you kept Metheny "in the mix" for a while, you'd start enjoying the easy-listening aspects that are putting you off, but that's not the same as saying y…
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With your searches, Gp, I bet straight discographical album lookups are the way to go for Guvera. You mentioned you liked Surman a lot, don't forget all the sideman appeara…
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Gp, what's an example of "heresy"?

Metheny is highly regarded, and I regard him highly, but no question, much of his music ha… -
Gp, that comment made me wonder, so started looking for some of the genre's founders, which led me to this slightly tangential but very interesting-looking release which is on Guvera:
Source magazine's in What are you listening to right now? (#11 - But this one goes to 11) Comment by kargatron February 2013 -
Elin Larsson Group - Growing Up
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A great series of modern jazz quintet albums on ECM is the Dave Holland Quintet in the 80s, with the albums Jumpin' In, Seeds of Time, and The Razor's Edge. That was a fantastic group with Steve Coleman, Kenny Wheeler, Julian Pr…
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Thom, the group Bass Desires had two albums, that first eponymous one under Johnson's moniker, and Second Sight, which is pretty good (worth getting), though didn't come close to approaching my love of the first. YMMV, of course!
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I'm a big Michael Franti fan. BT, have you checked out his early hip-hop project The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy? That's a good one (and on Guvera).
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Another must-have: Colin Walcott - Cloud Dance (with Abercrombie)
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Gp, I bet you'd like guitarist Ralph Towner.
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Gp, you have the Gateway albums? (Holland/Abercrombie/DeJohnette)
Just so you know, the absolute, #1 essential ECM album of all time is Dave Holland - Confere… -
For those interested in ECM, I recommend browsing through this excellent ECM discography. Guvera is legitimately a goldmine regarding ECM - I'm really shocked it's available there, to be honest…
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I think my chief attraction to hip-hop is its fairly distinct musical investigation of vocal rhythm and vocal sonority. Sounds still dominate over lyrical content (as in pretty much any music) for me.
An unmentioned uber-favorite of mine…