What is Jazz??? (and how can you tell)

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  • Thanks.

    lala has one ROVA album that can be streamed in entirety here. I'd say it's on the edge between jazz and third-stream, but not pure noise. Some of it reminds me of things Lennie Tristano did way back when.
  • @jackedUPjazz

    You have a gift for misrepresenting me. I made no claims that denied that African-Americans did not originate the art form. Most of my comments were directed at the documentary and its criticism. I would normally hope that an academic would be more sensitive to the analysis of metanarratives.
  • Firstly, I apologize if I have misrepresented your thoughts. It was not my intent to offend you or anyone, only to share information. There are lots of young people who have grown up in the era of Dave Chapelle and Jay-Z commanding the airwaves and not realizing that it wasn't always that way. So it was my intent to leave no room for confusion. Many of these artists who are now acknowledged as geniuses were forced to come through the back door to get on stage and could not sleep or eat in the venues in which they plied their craft. This should never be forgotten.

    Secondly, approximately 50% of everything I say is tongue in cheek (although still essentially true) so I am a bit of a jokester. You have to take my comments with a grain of salt. The prime directive is to entertain as well as educate.
  • edited December 2009
    To digress slightly any opinions on this Roy Eldridge set Little Jazz Giant ? My Eldridge could use some filling in and I just found this on my Music You'll Love today. I still have a couple of BB crack cards to light up, and I'm getting itchy that more changes may be on the way.
  • edited December 2009
    Jessica Lurie live in Slovenia. Just brought out a record, produced by Todd Sickafoose (who also plays on it, along with Nels Cline) - Licorice & Smoke. If you liked Tiny Resistors, I think you'll like this. JuJ maybe not so much.

    Here's Mexico, one of the songs from the album.
  • Jessica Lurie live in Slovenia. Just brought out a record, produced by Todd Sickafoose (who also plays on it, along with Nels Cline) - Licorice & Smoke. If you liked Tiny Resistors, I think you'll like this. JuJ maybe not so much.

    Jessica Lurie has just been missing the cut for months now. I hear enough to know I want it, but not enough that other albums haven't kept beating her out...barely. Licorice & Smoke is probably the frontrunner for which goes first.
  • Alright space music fans this is how you get weird and still remain in the groove

    I don't know if you would technically call him avant garde but this is one weird cat that I can dig.

    Booker Ervin could screw with a melody like nobody's business by taking it outside then back in then just messin' with your mind for 15 or 20 minutes.

    The thing I like is that he didn't get weird just to be weird, the melody is always there, it might be upside down and inverted but its always there.

    I am still looking for similar artists have never come across anybody who works a melody like Booker Ervin
  • Ha! I've been listening to Freedom Book and Soul People. Ervin was bluesy and robust, the picture of the masculine tenor saxman. But he could play Mingus and Dolphy as well.
  • hey jacked, your post convinced me to pull out Freedom Book again and give it a few more spins, and it's really, really good. I have to say my favorite part is still Jaki Byard, but I'm liking Booker more and more each time through. I saved the other one you linked to - also looks great - Booker, and again Byard and Dexter Gordon and it's only 4 tracks? Can't miss. Thanks!
  • Hey BT and am

    who else plays like this

    I cannot think of another artist who gets this weird and stays in the pocket
  • these guys take Jimi long without straying too far from the pocket Acoustic Ladyland-Camouflage
  • I cannot think of another artist who gets this weird and stays in the pocket

    this Jaki Byard album might be something you'd like - Byard and Roland Kirk do some pretty screwy things, but the melody is always there.
  • edited January 2010
    this Jaki Byard album might be something you'd like - Byard and Roland Kirk do some pretty screwy things, but the melody is always there.

    Excellent rec, amclark2. Jaki Byard's straight ahead jazz is played through a very odd facet of the jazz gemstone; kind of blurry and sharp around the edges but still has that sparkle you expect from a jazz album. Here's another one that I really love. Ignore the stupid cover and spend the six dls; it's worth it...

    http://www.emusic.com/album/Jaki-Byard-Sunshine-On-My-Soul-MP3-Download/10592816.html
  • Thanks jonah- will check it out. also thanks for your mentions of Esbjorn Svensson Trio - I got Leukocyte during the Dec. 7dig. sales and love it.
  • Thanks jonah- will check it out. also thanks for your mentions of Esbjorn Svensson Trio - I got Leukocyte during the Dec. 7dig. sales and love it.

    You're welcome. In case I didn't mention it in the post you're referencing, my two favorite E.S.T.'s are "Tuesday Wonderland" and "Strange Place for Snow", neither of which is on emu, but "Strange Place for Snow" can be gotten cheap and new on Amazon and even cheaper on Tower (last I saw, it was five bucks). My favorite on emu is Viaticum (Platinum edition)...

    http://www.emusic.com/album/e-s-t-Esbj%C3%B6rn-Svensson-Trio-Viaticum-Platinum-Limited-Edition-MP3-Download/11403544.html

    Crap, I just saw that it's the victim of album pricing. I got it when I first signed up. Well, the second disc is all great live material, but the first is solid all by its lonesome. Emu also sells it solo...

    http://www.emusic.com/album/e-s-t-Esbj%C3%B6rn-Svensson-Trio-viaticum-MP3-Download/11403543.html

    and then maybe hop over to Amazon and kind of pick and choose how you buy the second disc (if you want it)...

    http://www.amazon.com/Viaticum-Platinum-Limited-Edition/dp/B0011WHO4Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1263523893&sr=8-3

    Cheers.
  • Gil Evans' Priestess

    I'm hooked and it cannot be had

    Any thoughts on where to find this without taking out a second mortgage
  • edited April 2011
    There are two used CDs on Amazon UK, and one is from a dealer in the States, charging £33 - around $45. See http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0000046Y2/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1302084040&sr=1-1&condition=used
  • JUJ, as that's a fine Billy Harper composition, note that you can easily find his performances on several albums, generally cheap on Amazon digitally.
  • E-Bay $11.99 (with shipping).
    Priestess.

    Straight sale, no bidding.

    Hmm, may get it my own self. i love Gil Evans.
  • Ebay is such a den of inequity

    By definition anything more than 99 cents requires a remortgaging of the house

    What about this

    Will this be a suitable substitute
  • edited April 2011
    In Europe is a classic, and that version of "Priestess" is canonical. But you can get it cheaper (as I implied above) at Amazon, where lots of Black Saint/Soul Note albums have cheap long tracks.
  • K

    That really pisses me off, we are supposed to pay this monthly subscription model so that in return music is supposed to be less expensive but here that Billy Harper is basically twice the price of Amazon.

    That's just not right
  • Well, they are cheaper on average. And usually you would want to contact the label to rectify pricing errors. But this is one case where I'm reluctant to pursue it, because what if the Amazon pricing is a mistake? Then correcting it would make the street price more expensive. Plus, having cheap alternatives to emusic is great when you aren't struggling to find emusic downloads - it frees up your credit to be used on stuff where emusic actually is cheapest. (So I don't think it should piss anyone off, assuming they have a large enough SFL.)
  • Those Amazon prices have been there for some time...I poked around a good bit during the last freebie promo, and found that I had previously snapped up most/all of the 2- or 3-track jazz bargains, esp on Black Saint/Soul Note. There are some Mal Waldron deals to be had, in addition to Billy Harper.
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