The stadium was consistently losing money. Promoters were looking for different ideas to generate revenue. Enter the Grateful Dead.
The hippie band was announced as the headliner for a show to be held at Holleder on Sept. 1, 1979. Neighborhood groups were up in arms over "concerns of rampant drug use and rowdy fans." A petition with 500 signatures was presented to city officials, who denied the permit two weeks before the show.
A state Supreme Court justice finally told the two sides to work things out, and the show went on. Fears ran rampant beforehand.
"I'm moving things in the house, getting ready," one Holleder neighbor said in a news story the day before the concert. "Maybe nothing will happen, but I feel like I'm waiting for a bomb to hit."
The concert, including opening acts The Good Rats and the Greg Kihn Band, went off with few problems, save for some illegal parking. A review of the show stated, tongue-in-cheek, "The world, the city of Rochester and the neighborhood around the stadium apparently survived the experience."
(Full disclosure; the pic is actually from a 1983 Journey concert.)
Also, the audience tape I linked to is by Bob Wagner, who recorded the audience part of the matrix for the recent 1980 Atlanta Dave's Pick. It's really rather nice.
Also also, I thought in the home listening thread that the brand Nakamichi seemed familiar - then I realized it's because so many Dead tapes, including this one, were made with Nakamichi machines.
Matthew Rybicki - Driven
My thanks to someone for pointing out that this was NYOP on bandcamp.
Does anyone else feel as if they are becoming desensitized to NYOP on bandcamp? When it started I had a stronger feeling that I should pay something. I still do sometimes, but I think I also more often take it as an invitation to grab stuff. Which of course it is explicitly at least some of the time, which is what makes it tricky.
GP - I actually used to take stuff for free all the time, but anymore I'm always dropping a dollar or two.
YG - Just Re'd Up 2
YG has been getting some press over the last year or so, but I'm just getting around to checking him out. This one isn't really doing it for me. It's good, but meh.
#14 on my Best of 2011 list. (Goodness, have we really done 3 sets of end of year lists on MiG already? How time flies). @Craig, interesting that you're moving in the other direction.
Thanks BN - fortunately I live on the eastern side of the middle of England, so the rain and storms have not affected us too much. It has been quite wet at times and windy last night, but no serious flooding near us. But parts of the country have had it very badly. I saw a news report last night which basically said that the wet weather over the UK, Western France and to some extent northern Spain has been caused by the impact of all the snow in the USA a month or so ago. That apparently was caused by storms over Indonesia, but they didn't explain why those storms started!
To add to the Bandcamp NYOP debate, I will generally give something if it is in Pounds or Euros, less often in Dollars. One of my credit cards does not charge extra for Euro transactions, but all my cards charge for other currencies. For relatively small amounts this can double the cost quite easily. I have on occasions, where an artist has several albums, downloaded all but just donated a larger amount to one. If it is something I really like I will go back and donate, but like GP, I suspect I do that less now than I used to. Maybe I should give more...
Re: Bandcamp; I've been wondering what other people do; I tend to give money to artists I know or works I know I'll like, and things that are for charity. Otherwise I consider recommending it here as my
contribution.
Otherwise I consider recommending it here as my contribution
Yes that is certainly true and it has gone through my mind too. I must admit, though, that I rarely give a tip at Noisetrade, unless it is something I really like. Often Noisetrade is publicity for an upcoming release, and if I like it I'll buy the full album.
Often Noisetrade is publicity for a upcoming releases.
I never give at Noisetrade precisely for this reason. Many of the releases are either subpar--a mini collection, poorly recorded live tracks, a few remixes--or they are available on BC anyway. As for NYOP releases, I always try to give a few dollars if I feel that I would be eager to hear more from the artist in the future or they haven't received enough attention. I never download FLAC unless I contribute--I hope that BC won't change it's policy towards artists if bandwidth becomes an issue.
OTOH, I am very annoyed by the number of artists charging $10 or more. Lastest on my s--- list: Tuba Skinny, a busking band from NOLA, who are charging for an album of songs that are all well in the public domain.
I hate it when someone has a minimum of like $8. It makes me move on right away unless it's for charity or something.
One benefit I've gotten from donating is it allows the artists to know who downloaded, so I've gotten probably 5 emails from artists. One time I was one of 3 regular people on an email that was sent to all the local venue bookers and radio program directors. I kept that email so I have those contacts. Doubt I'll ever use them, but you never know.
@BT, agreed. My comment was sparked by mixed feelings about the current Flaming Pines promotion. They are giving away an album every two days until March, and using NYOP; I figure they invited us to take those albums for free so I feel less obliged to contribute. Then I see that the normal price of their releases is mostly $10 and up, sometimes for 2 tracks/30 minutes of music. One album is $20 and is just over an hour long. (That's what I paid last week in Norway for a full price new CD in a mall - the country where a cup of tea cost me $7) So now I am caught between feeling glad I am going to get a bunch of interesting music for free, thinking that nice as the music is I will likely not shop with them (and therefore feeling bad for them that promotion is not going to gain them more traction with me), and thinking I should maybe pay something at some point as a happy medium.
ETA, I do often donate, but the Flaming Pines thing made me realize that sometimes in my mind NYOP is starting to mean "free".
I think when you're running a special deal where an album is Free/NYOP for a limited time, all bets are off. That does mean free as far as I'm concerned.
Does anyone else feel as if they are becoming desensitized to NYOP on bandcamp?
I've actually been meaning to (somehow) get a few dollars into my Paypal account, for just such purposes. I'd be more inclined to shake loose a buck or two, if it didn't mean a new charge on my credit card.
I'm sure Jason Parker says on his website that when he went from priced to NYOP at Bandcamp he actually raised more money, because more people were actually downloading. I recently saw something for £10 on Bandcamp (around $16!), then found I could download it for £7.99 at iTunes, even less at emusic, so guess where I got it from.
ETA, I do often donate, but the Flaming Pines thing made me realize that sometimes in my mind NYOP is starting to mean "free".
This is something that I've been pretty good at: showing my appreciation for special free releases. I've thrown a few bucks at WAAG, at Thom Baker when some of his records were free, and I intend to after I see what Flaming Pines albums were not made free (presumably something new). For some reason, having 2-3 free albums plus one paid album by artist/label makes me feel like I've acquired a special little collection.
Bandcamp also put a limit on the amount of "free" downloads an artist can give away, but I don't think there's a limit on $0 NYOP, so sometimes NYOP is meant to be free, while other artists give away their allotment of free copies then put up a charge and a mirror link. (I posted one the other day that was like $700.00).
Following GP and starting the day with a couple of N albums gives me a great excuse to play one of my all time favourite recordings. I suspect if it was released today it probably wouldn't impact me quite so much, but my love for this is tied in with the era and what I was doing at the time (ie being a student)
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Thanks everybody!
Eta; wow! Great stuff!
Grateful Dead - 1979-09-01 - Holleder Memorial Stadium, Rochester, NY
Prompted by this local paper article:
(Full disclosure; the pic is actually from a 1983 Journey concert.)
Also, the audience tape I linked to is by Bob Wagner, who recorded the audience part of the matrix for the recent 1980 Atlanta Dave's Pick. It's really rather nice.
Also also, I thought in the home listening thread that the brand Nakamichi seemed familiar - then I realized it's because so many Dead tapes, including this one, were made with Nakamichi machines.
Matthew Rybicki - Driven
My thanks to someone for pointing out that this was NYOP on bandcamp.
Does anyone else feel as if they are becoming desensitized to NYOP on bandcamp? When it started I had a stronger feeling that I should pay something. I still do sometimes, but I think I also more often take it as an invitation to grab stuff. Which of course it is explicitly at least some of the time, which is what makes it tricky.
YG - Just Re'd Up 2
YG has been getting some press over the last year or so, but I'm just getting around to checking him out. This one isn't really doing it for me. It's good, but meh.
Craig
Minizza - Hotel Monterey
#14 on my Best of 2011 list. (Goodness, have we really done 3 sets of end of year lists on MiG already? How time flies).
@Craig, interesting that you're moving in the other direction.
Thanks BN - fortunately I live on the eastern side of the middle of England, so the rain and storms have not affected us too much. It has been quite wet at times and windy last night, but no serious flooding near us. But parts of the country have had it very badly. I saw a news report last night which basically said that the wet weather over the UK, Western France and to some extent northern Spain has been caused by the impact of all the snow in the USA a month or so ago. That apparently was caused by storms over Indonesia, but they didn't explain why those storms started!
To add to the Bandcamp NYOP debate, I will generally give something if it is in Pounds or Euros, less often in Dollars. One of my credit cards does not charge extra for Euro transactions, but all my cards charge for other currencies. For relatively small amounts this can double the cost quite easily. I have on occasions, where an artist has several albums, downloaded all but just donated a larger amount to one. If it is something I really like I will go back and donate, but like GP, I suspect I do that less now than I used to. Maybe I should give more...
contribution.
OTOH, I am very annoyed by the number of artists charging $10 or more. Lastest on my s--- list: Tuba Skinny, a busking band from NOLA, who are charging for an album of songs that are all well in the public domain.
One benefit I've gotten from donating is it allows the artists to know who downloaded, so I've gotten probably 5 emails from artists. One time I was one of 3 regular people on an email that was sent to all the local venue bookers and radio program directors. I kept that email so I have those contacts. Doubt I'll ever use them, but you never know.
Craig
ETA, I do often donate, but the Flaming Pines thing made me realize that sometimes in my mind NYOP is starting to mean "free".
Craig
Just heard this for the first time, fantastic.
I'm sure Jason Parker says on his website that when he went from priced to NYOP at Bandcamp he actually raised more money, because more people were actually downloading. I recently saw something for £10 on Bandcamp (around $16!), then found I could download it for £7.99 at iTunes, even less at emusic, so guess where I got it from.
Bandcamp also put a limit on the amount of "free" downloads an artist can give away, but I don't think there's a limit on $0 NYOP, so sometimes NYOP is meant to be free, while other artists give away their allotment of free copies then put up a charge and a mirror link. (I posted one the other day that was like $700.00).
Isaiah Rashad - Cilvia Demo
New guy on the TDE Label (hip hop). It's pretty good.
Craig
I feel like I irrationally love this album disproportionately to how good it actually is. If that makes any sense.
Odd Squad - Fadanuf Fa Erybody
Mid 90s hip hop from Houston that I was unaware of until it was discussed today on P4K. Really, really good. Very Pharcyde-esque.
Craig
Mikkel Metal - Victimizer
Masters of Psychedelic Ambiance - Mu.
"It's not fake. End of century. Magic display... "
(MPA=Tetsu Inoue & Atom Heart)
Michael Trommer - The Great Northern Loon
Two for two so far in terms of the Flaming Pines promotion keeping in step with my alphabetic days.
Following GP and starting the day with a couple of N albums gives me a great excuse to play one of my all time favourite recordings. I suspect if it was released today it probably wouldn't impact me quite so much, but my love for this is tied in with the era and what I was doing at the time (ie being a student)