Unless clauses 5.6 and 6.11 contain different meanings of the verb "download", I'm not sure if 5.6 covers this situation. I'd interpret it as covering situations such as, if you're not logged in, you don't get a notice saying there's a geographical restriction, but then when you "try to download" the restriction will appear - and it covers eMusic from complaints like "but the album was on my SFL yesterday!"
Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, and eMusic didn't let me "try to download" the bargains, so what do I care?
There is another good one, but I don't have the heart to mention it here, or pull the trigger myself. Despite my passion for jazz, I don't want to take advantage of the situation.
At least not until I get my credits back! Not complaining, but I am a little surprised they pulled DLs in progress.
I'll put this comment on this board rather than the eMu MB as the discussion here is more, I don't know, 'meaningful' as we're obviously speaking to each here whereas over there messages are directed to both eMu and other posters and things get muddled pretty quickly.
I requested to be re-credited for the box sets I purchased that I did not get. That is about all I really expect to get out of the deal.
However, given that eMu's stance when it comes to trial memberships and whatnot, that as soon as you click the download button for your 26th track (if you are on a 25 free track trial) your trial immediately converts to a paid membership and your CC is immediately charged (regardless of if the actual download is successfully initiated and completed). It seems that the major complaint with people who accidentally cross that line is that eMu simply does not refund any money and appears to take a 'tough sledding' stance.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot I would dearly love for eMu to apply that same kind of logic and realize that once I clicked 'download' the deal was done and they should live up to their commitment to provide me with the downloads for the advertised credit cost.
Not know who is really to 'blame' for this pricing situation. I find it amusing that neither Warner and/or eMu looked at the product that they were going to make available from a customer's perspective; basic bargain hunting of the new offerings - immediately looking for the traditionally high-priced items to see if they were cheaper. I certainly didn't spend all that much time to identify any number of box sets that were priced extremely favorably. It would seem that with all the work that would be required between eMu and Warner to setup and make the Warner/Rhino stuff available on eMu that someone at Warner or eMu should've been doing something similar in order to avoid this exact situation. I mean didn't the Warner/Rhino stuff go up at incorrect prices at Rhapsody? Didn't Warner learn anything from that? eMu sole business is of selling downloads and one would think that they could at least have applied some reasonableness checks of what was going to be made available to avoid this fiasco as well.
I find it odd that Rhapsody and 7digital did not have an issue (to my knowledge) of providing the extremely cheap contents when they inadvertently (or possibly advertently) made some of these same box sets available for extremely cheap when compared to other online vendors (iTunes, Amazon) offering the same items at the time.
Sorry for the long, rambling post. Just some points I wanted to mention.
I just checked eMusic and I was credited back the 12 DLs I lost for the Neil Young set I wasn't permitted to complete. That's all I asked for, and I think it's a reasonable resolution. Since the set was never supposed to be offered at that price, I'm not going to complain that I got part of it so they should give me the rest. By returning my downloads, I've been made whole. I agree that since these problems seem to crop up with each big label drop, they ought to be able to fix them, but I picked up a few great deals before they caught the mistake.
I agree that it's reasonable Muggsy. As a litigator I have become very adept at determining what is worth fighting for and what is worth walking away from even when I'm in the right. So, while I agree that eMusic is exhibiting a double standard here, it just isn't worth arguing over.
I would suggest that having "picked up a few great deals before they caught the mistake" makes a big difference in one's feelings about this issue. Speaking as one who wanted one, maybe two, but got none, the feelings are quite different. Even so, the only thing I have asked is to have my credits returned. Still hasn't happened.
Don't you love the bragging over at eMu? Rub it in. Rub it in. Hey, isn't that a song?
I decided to log into eMu and check and see that I've been re-credited for the box sets I thought I had purchased. About a 14 hour turn around I think.
When i get home tonight I'll have to see if i can figure out how to get eMusicJ to work on my new, recently installed harddrive and start finding some of the remaining available deals and download what I can.
I remember when the Travelling Wilburies wasn't released on CD for ages (not til a couple of years ago I think, Harrison's estate owned the copyright and they were busy with other things) and in 2003 the only place I could get Volume 1 in that format was a pirate copy at the Garbushka market in Moscow. I was **so thrilled** to have it. Simpler times. ;-)
I waited until today to ask for a refund for my credits, since I figured they would swamped. It only took them an hour to credit me.
I was successful in getting 5 sets - Neil Young's Archives (125), What it is! (Funk boxset) (91 tracks), Only in America (Soul boxset) (100 tracks), Atlantic Top 60 Sweat Soaked Soul (60 tracks), Hommage a Nesuhi (61 tracks).
I had 7 others queued up. All of them were boxes by artists that I already have several albums by and/or a 2-3 CD comp.
I would suggest that having "picked up a few great deals before they caught the mistake" makes a big difference in one's feelings about this issue.
Absolutely. I had resisted several offers to rejoin eMu since my sub ended in September, but when I saw the label drop yesterday and the box set deals, I jumped right back in. I may well quit again after using this month's downloads, but there are still some very good deals over there on multi-disc sets currently available for 12 credits. I'm pretty much a mercenary at this point when it comes to downloads -- I'll go where the deals are. Amie Street, eMusic, Lala, Amazon, Rhapsody, 7digital, even iTunes. No P2P sites though, so I guess I draw the line there.
Aha! Credits have been refunded! Now to decide how I want to spend them, and gotta do it soon. Refresh on the 18th. I haven't been as eager to spend them lately, ponder over what I want, and find there doesn't seem to be as much that I really, really want. Maybe I have just overdosed on music the last couple of years. I am enjoying listening to all those tracks that have been sitting there unheard.
NankerP, it's hard to believe it has been that long ago. But I guess it has. First LP, eh? You are just a baby.
Edit: Jut saw the email from eMu. These are "courtesy" credits, good for 30 days, so I don't have to be in a hurry. Gotta make a good choice. Don't want to waste them!
the Swell Season (deluxe)
Allan Toussaint complete Warner Bros
Malo Celebracion (4 CDs) - Santana's brother's band, who played decent Latin Jazz Rock before going more pop.
Laurie Anderson Anthology
Depeche Mode Remixes 84 > 01(4 CD version) (not a big fan, but it's too good a deal to pass up)
Ry Cooder Anthology
The Mingus box looks to still be available. It's also good to see that a lot of prime Roland Kirk is there.
Thank you froggie for pointing out the Allen Toussaint being made re-available - it was one of the six I got skunked on Tuesday but it let me re-download, and after another e-mail to CS I got the other 60 credits back. The Mingus box is definitely still available. Considering that I got Neil Young, Ray Charles, Stax-Volt, Emmylou Harris and Mingus I guess I can't complain but it still burns that I had the LA Nuggets and those two soul anthologies - Only In America and What It Is- not to mention Coleman and Coltrane in my hot little grasp only to lose them.
Only In America is at 7digital for $44.99, What It Is! at Amazon for $36.99, Where the Action Is! L.A.Nuggets 1965-1968 at Amazon for $46.99. Not quite the same as 12 credits alas.
BTW, if you are a fan of real western swing they brought in the Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys series of Tiffany Transcriptions - I have to find which of the CD's I already have from a used store score years ago but these are good stuff.
They also still have the Rhino handmade Crazy Horse box (Scratchy: The Complete Reprise Recordings) for 12 credits. I downloaded it from Lala a while back and it's excellent. That first Crazy Horse album with Danny Whitten and Nils Lofgren is a classic IMO. The Meters 2-CD collection (Funkify Your Life) is also still available for 12 credits. I'd jump on that if I didn't already have it.
You know, if it was just being incompetent, then the site seemingly should have been fixed. What if eMu and Warner actually had a deal to let this stuff slide to get heavy hits and people back as members? What if the reason why some of the box sets are gone and so many remain is because there's a limit at which they can get dled? Once that limit is hit, and you could see Neil Young and Coltrane long before Laurie Anderson and MJQ, they get shut off.
Barack Obama certainly was born in Kenya; what of it?
But Sort, your idea kind of makes sense to me - else why would the Mingus set - which I think was one of the first ones that people talked about - still be available? It is really hard to believe that they'd go through all the effort they did with this launch and completely miss, not one or 2, but every single box set.
Yeah, so far at least, lots of twofers available. Without even looking too hard, I found big collections by Genesis, INXS, the Replacements, Aretha, and others. Also check out the "House that Ahmet Built" Atlantic collection...might help heal the wound for those of us shut out of only in America!
The Rhino thing is absolutely fantastic, I need to spend a little time digging around to see what else is there! Hearty endorsement for the Meters and Allen Toussaint sets mentioned above, both of which I already have.
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Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, and eMusic didn't let me "try to download" the bargains, so what do I care?
Here's one still up. A decent, if sprawling sampler.
KAAAAAHHHHN!
At least not until I get my credits back! Not complaining, but I am a little surprised they pulled DLs in progress.
I requested to be re-credited for the box sets I purchased that I did not get. That is about all I really expect to get out of the deal.
However, given that eMu's stance when it comes to trial memberships and whatnot, that as soon as you click the download button for your 26th track (if you are on a 25 free track trial) your trial immediately converts to a paid membership and your CC is immediately charged (regardless of if the actual download is successfully initiated and completed). It seems that the major complaint with people who accidentally cross that line is that eMu simply does not refund any money and appears to take a 'tough sledding' stance.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot I would dearly love for eMu to apply that same kind of logic and realize that once I clicked 'download' the deal was done and they should live up to their commitment to provide me with the downloads for the advertised credit cost.
Not know who is really to 'blame' for this pricing situation. I find it amusing that neither Warner and/or eMu looked at the product that they were going to make available from a customer's perspective; basic bargain hunting of the new offerings - immediately looking for the traditionally high-priced items to see if they were cheaper. I certainly didn't spend all that much time to identify any number of box sets that were priced extremely favorably. It would seem that with all the work that would be required between eMu and Warner to setup and make the Warner/Rhino stuff available on eMu that someone at Warner or eMu should've been doing something similar in order to avoid this exact situation. I mean didn't the Warner/Rhino stuff go up at incorrect prices at Rhapsody? Didn't Warner learn anything from that? eMu sole business is of selling downloads and one would think that they could at least have applied some reasonableness checks of what was going to be made available to avoid this fiasco as well.
I find it odd that Rhapsody and 7digital did not have an issue (to my knowledge) of providing the extremely cheap contents when they inadvertently (or possibly advertently) made some of these same box sets available for extremely cheap when compared to other online vendors (iTunes, Amazon) offering the same items at the time.
Sorry for the long, rambling post. Just some points I wanted to mention.
Craig
Don't you love the bragging over at eMu? Rub it in. Rub it in. Hey, isn't that a song?
I'm sure they'll get to you with the credits.
Craig
When i get home tonight I'll have to see if i can figure out how to get eMusicJ to work on my new, recently installed harddrive and start finding some of the remaining available deals and download what I can.
I was successful in getting 5 sets - Neil Young's Archives (125), What it is! (Funk boxset) (91 tracks), Only in America (Soul boxset) (100 tracks), Atlantic Top 60 Sweat Soaked Soul (60 tracks), Hommage a Nesuhi (61 tracks).
I had 7 others queued up. All of them were boxes by artists that I already have several albums by and/or a 2-3 CD comp.
Absolutely. I had resisted several offers to rejoin eMu since my sub ended in September, but when I saw the label drop yesterday and the box set deals, I jumped right back in. I may well quit again after using this month's downloads, but there are still some very good deals over there on multi-disc sets currently available for 12 credits. I'm pretty much a mercenary at this point when it comes to downloads -- I'll go where the deals are. Amie Street, eMusic, Lala, Amazon, Rhapsody, 7digital, even iTunes. No P2P sites though, so I guess I draw the line there.
NankerP, it's hard to believe it has been that long ago. But I guess it has. First LP, eh? You are just a baby.
Edit: Jut saw the email from eMu. These are "courtesy" credits, good for 30 days, so I don't have to be in a hurry. Gotta make a good choice. Don't want to waste them!
Last night I picked up:
the Swell Season (deluxe)
Allan Toussaint complete Warner Bros
Malo Celebracion (4 CDs) - Santana's brother's band, who played decent Latin Jazz Rock before going more pop.
Laurie Anderson Anthology
Depeche Mode Remixes 84 > 01(4 CD version) (not a big fan, but it's too good a deal to pass up)
Ry Cooder Anthology
The Mingus box looks to still be available. It's also good to see that a lot of prime Roland Kirk is there.
Only In America is at 7digital for $44.99, What It Is! at Amazon for $36.99, Where the Action Is! L.A.Nuggets 1965-1968 at Amazon for $46.99. Not quite the same as 12 credits alas.
BTW, if you are a fan of real western swing they brought in the Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys series of Tiffany Transcriptions - I have to find which of the CD's I already have from a used store score years ago but these are good stuff.
Warren Zevon "Collectors Edition", 26 tracks of outtakes and alt versions.
EmmyLou Harris Anthology, 44 tracks
Mere conjecture, but also fits the facts.
Obama was also born in Kenya.
Craig
Barack Obama certainly was born in Kenya; what of it?
But Sort, your idea kind of makes sense to me - else why would the Mingus set - which I think was one of the first ones that people talked about - still be available? It is really hard to believe that they'd go through all the effort they did with this launch and completely miss, not one or 2, but every single box set.
The Rhino thing is absolutely fantastic, I need to spend a little time digging around to see what else is there! Hearty endorsement for the Meters and Allen Toussaint sets mentioned above, both of which I already have.